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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jun 23, 2007 5:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: The pluses and minuses of Rhinocerouses

For a long time, there has been much ado about the Rhino deal and the lack of result. I agree: it seems very odd at the least that the band decided to go with the company that was already producing its reissue boxes and--if you'll notice--many of the live boxes as well. So, Rhino isn't a new animal in the GD zoo and has had an inside track.

You'd think this was a good thing. But, since the "deal," we have seen only two releases, one of which was already prepared ten years ago. Unimpressive considering the alleged goal is to get more music into our hands and make more loot for the band.

Here are the theoretical pluses:

Rhino's niche in the market is reissues, box sets, and occasionally "new" material from a few of its artists.
Most of these releases are done in conjunction with the original labels that still own the production rights to the material. They have the knowledge, the experience, and the tools to get the job done.

But this is different, and it is obviously baffling them. Here they suddenly have the largest backlog of unreleased music created by an band in the history of music, and they can't get a handle on it. Something doesn't seem right.

I suspect that part of this is that Rhino isn't used to picking and choosing. How much freedom do they have? What is their goal? What are band's goals and wishes? How do you attack this mountain of music?

To paraphrase Sgt. Schultz, "we know nothing . . . NOTHING!"
That's where we were a year ago. And we can only speculate and grouse and hope they'll get to work. Will they continue with the "series" as they were? Dick's Picks? From the Vault? DVDs? Downloads? Put it all online?

I suspect that they don't know either. After all, just relaunched. What a perfect place to lay out the "plan" if there were one.

I suspect that there is still inner turmoil, which the band is wisely keeping in house. I suspect that there is turmoil at Rhino as to how they wish to go about things. I suspect that what seemed like a good choice of companies is turning into a bad one. If the goal is to generate product, then Rhino has failed.

Only time will tell what will happen in the ongoing saga of the vault. But if they do not start to produce material soon, they may well find that their target market will start to shrink.

Geeze. Then all we'll be left with are those 2,000 free downloads that are scattered across the internet!

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jun 24, 2007 6:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The pluses and minuses of Rhinocerouses

I'd be interested in seeing the numbers from the last decade and a half as far as the Dick's Picks and Vault releases go (and when I say "vault" I'm including things like "Hundred Year Hall" as well as those releases that carry the "from the Vault" moniker- I get it that DP's are two track and the others are multi, but technically isn't all of this stuff from the vault?). What sort of numbers do they move? More specifically, was there a drop-off, on average, for releases that came followed their predecessors within a certain window? I'd be interested if that info is posted anywhere.

What I'm getting at is that, while it's obvious no archived GD release is going to go screaming up the charts, Rhino wouldn't have gotten involved if they didn't think they could make a buck or two doing this. It's certainly possible they spent all this time just getting their shit together, but there's also the chance they felt they previous release schedule was flawed somehow. Exactly how they hope to make money by not releasing anything new is beyond me, but it seems unlikely that somebody just made the arbitrary decision to slow things down.

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Poster: tree-ap Date: Jun 23, 2007 5:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The pluses and minuses of Rhinocerouses

Good questions... I e-mailed Lemeiux asking about what sort of legalities are involved in releasing not only his weekly Tapers Section material, but what kind of control GDP still retains as far as releases go, and that maybe they could post such info on their site. Obviously, there has been no reply. I've asked it before as to why they (GDP) were able to get out 13 official downloads in 12 months, so, why is Rhino only doing what I consider to be their 1st release this coming Tuesday since the official "takeover". My hope would be that they've had people working on mastering a bunch of tapes for either CD release or download over the last 12 months, and that between Tuesday & Christmas we'll be flooded with "new" material. Maybe a release will be made available for every year in their history so they can sorta please everyone with something from their fav year. I mean COME ON...even the DP's series managed 36 releases since what, '92? That's something like 2.2 releases per year isn't it?

All of this is mere speculation , because of how tight-lipped all involved seem to be. I just hope they get with it, because we're all getting older everyday, and the chance one of us might miss the release of some gem that hasn't existed in circulation over the years because of permanent hearing loss, alzheimer's, or death, gets bigger by the moment. I've e-mailed & posted similar rants on Rhino's site, and it seems to be ignored just as it is at GDP.

So I guess considering what they're about to release, and that so many of us already have it or have heard it, and that it's the only release in close to 2 years, I'd say they've failed miserably in GDP & the bands wanting to generally please everyone. No, or very little money has been made, and eventhough there is the weekly tapers section giving us free music, relatively very little has come out of the vault. But, I'll still wait with anticipation to see what comes out next, and hope & pray for the proliferation of material to happen soon.

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Poster: veblen Date: Jun 23, 2007 6:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The pluses and minuses of Rhinocerouses

but as the recent gd bulliten states: "rest assured we are listening"...

they may be listening, but the question is to what?

Though I am going to follow your lead and start ranting to rhino as well.

I, too, hope there is a group of engineering gnomes working in the background; and that we will awake to a flood, ok, at least a stream of releases. Though I would be feeling much more positive if the release this week was not something that was already in the can for over a decade.

Anyway, I can see how the dick's and other cd releases have slowed during the "transition" (and I am giving them a big benefit of the doubt on the length of the transition) but I would have thought that once there was a process for getting the "downloads from the vault" out that Rhino would have kept that animal alive and growing to keep us at peace until they worked-out problems/issues with the major releases.

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jun 23, 2007 9:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The pluses and minuses of Rhinocerouses

What they are listening to is the sound of their lower intestines which is all they can hear with their heads so firmly up their asses.

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Poster: veblen Date: Jun 23, 2007 9:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The pluses and minuses of Rhinocerouses

You hit the nail-on-the-head there!!!

Sadly, from what I read and hear they feel they are doing well with the new site up and in their small minds having 4 "New" GD releases this week:
Three From The Vault
One From The Vault
Two From The Vault
From The Vault Box Set

They certainly have an interesting definition of "new"...

Though I do see one positive on the rhino site and that is the release of the Traveling Wilburys collection.

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Poster: Street Pig Date: Jun 23, 2007 6:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The pluses and minuses of Rhinocerouses

Give Shultzy some chocolate! He is easy!